Riley, man… your review really free many of the (not concerns) negative issues that some earlier owners posted online. have you experienced a hard time loading the magazines when new and if so, what was your break-in period. Best concealed carry piece I’ve found yet and I have a few that I’ve tried over the years. American Made Sig Sauer P938 Trigger Kit is the perfect Sig Sauer P938 Accessories for Ultimate Night & Day Trigger Improvement! One of the big difference makers with this gun is the trigger. Also known as a “double-feed” this is where the fired case fails to be fully extracted, and the slide is able to continue rearward and pick up the next round shoving it into the rear of the still-chambered empty casing. In analyzing the instances where this has occurred, I’ve determined that the palm of my support hand is making contact with the rear portion of the button that’s raised above the grip surface. Also, a reminder, that as mentioned in the article, my gun with the most rounds on it is the one made in February of 2018. Thank you, Doug! I need something I can pocket carry when not wearing cargo pants or jeans (church for example, etc.) I have used only quality ammo, ie. The extractor on those pistols are very different than the P229. Nice to have 12 rounds in a package that used to be 10 with no size change. You must be 18 yrs of age to purchase. American Hunting Rifles In Action | The Ruger American Rifle. Hmm…I don’t think I have a good link for a review “by women, for women.” But in talking with a number of women, the P365 seems to be a popular choice. I bought a P365 and like it so much that I’ve ordered a second, and sold my three Kahrs. Trajectory Chart 17 HMR, 17 HM2, 22 LR, 22 WMR, BLEM- Sub-2000 Trigger Guard BLK (Old Style), KEL-TEC SUB-2000 Gen 2 M-SERIES 9mm For Sale, Protected by the M*CARBO 100% Lifetime Guarantee, Sig Sauer P238 & P938 Printable Instructions. Or maybe yours is still breaking in. Awesome! Brother installed a spring kit for his micro 9. The grip is, *Looking For A Class? I bought this because none of the gun stores around could get a Ruger LC9sPro, seems they are all sold out. Not a gun issue but a engineering one, the second is more troubling, severe striker drag. This gun, like an old friend, has been with me through thick and thin as backup while on patrol as well as off duty. I’ve now spent about 2 years shooting the platform and thousands of rounds. The FOXTROT365 Light is an aesthetically appealing match for the P365, easy to operate and plenty bright. I recall the Remington R51 fiasco. Put 150 rounds through it with no problems at all. Thanks for sharing your input. It disappears on my body in either the Tac-Lab M.T.R. It is rare to see such complete detailed reviews, there always seems to be something missing but not in this instance. Erica, good questions. I think you should explore the FTE issue more. Unfortunately our town is just about out of guns and ammo and the link on your page is out of stock so it looks like it may be a while before I will get the real life experience of the P365. It is all of those things—slimmer than the Glock 43, lighter than the Shield. Modifying your weapon may be prohibited in your state. It has a phenomenal trigger not just for guns in this class but even for any modern defensive pistol. One thing I noticed is looking at the back of the slide where the striker cover plate is located when holding the gun, it sits very low in the hand indeed. These mags saw a lot of range use this summer! My family knows I will put myself between them and the danger. But I am confident that if you used a Ransom Rest to test inherent accuracy, I am confident the results would be very good. I posted on a Facebook group a few months ago of the followers on 5 or 6 different magazines I own from different manufacturers (Glock, Springfield Armory, and others). Unfortunately, it’s been a while since I racked the slide on a P232, so I don’t recall well enough for a reliable comparison. seems about right. Of course, it is entirely possible there just happened to be a failure between the magazine follower and the slide stop. I am personally a believer that it is much more important that firearms are well lubricated than being perfectly clean. Episode 480: When is it Best to Walk Away? Some of these were fired in pure evaluation, and quite a few were in different training courses. If your hands are big, your right-hand thumb should be well above the safety lever. Still going strong. But I would recommend spending an hour or two on the range with a qualified instructor to gain confidence and experience. Hmm…that’s strange for sure. I’m not sure about the bar could break, but what do I know? Thanks for a great review. I’ve never trusted my life with ANYTHING but a Glock but I have to take you at your word. Do I consider this good enough for personal defense including EDC (Every Day Carry)? Thank You. Great article. I am 74 yrs old with some reduced hand strength. Throughout the remainder of the summer, I fired an additional 3,000 rounds through the two guns, about half-and-half. Trigger—There is no other small striker-fired handgun on the market with a trigger better than the one found on the P365. Milling would be done by Culper Precision in Provo, Utah. What is your favorite range and carry around to date for this pistol? Sig Sauer MG338 in .338 Norma Mag currently being tested by the USSOCOM Sig already makes some very nice ammo, but with their attempts to score some US military contracts for things like .277 Fury adoption — it makes sense that they’re shopping for more manufacturing capabilities. Thank you for the kind words. I carried a Kel-Tec PF9 for a couple of years and now that I have the P365, it has been relegated to the ‘class gun collection’! I regularly witness malfunctions from a variety of semi-automatic handguns including Glocks, Smith & Wesson M&P’s, Rugers, etc. Went to range today with the wife and they work led flawlessly. They are pretty much what to expect from SIG if you are familiar with their other mags. Less then 50 rounds and had trigger bar break. Worst-case scenario, the P365 is still 99.85%+ reliable. I love it. I have sent it in to Sig 3 times to try and solve the problem; they changed springs, they replaced extractor, they even replaced the slide. A view of the backside of the GrayGuns holster for the P365 showing the integrated wedge which makes this gun invisible even with the 12-round mag. Just enough for a better grip... not that ridiculous 10 shot aftermarket that everybody complains about, Well I was interested in the trigger reduction. As for decocker, as long as you have solid safety discipline and carry the gun in a quality holster, you should have no issues. The same is true of safety-related issues. Eats and shoots everything we’ve put through it including snake shot. I’m hoping either SIG or the aftermarket will have an improvement soon. Haven’t bee able to get to the range yet. RA9T) with no issues. I was hearing all these bad things, and I figured the more guns I could experience the better for my test data. How would you get the Romeozero mini red dot on the newer P365 that has the safety? I love this gun. There is one area not mentioned in the article. A common consumer concern is primer drag, but primer drag is a completely normal occurrence with this firearm (and other subcompacts) given its size and slide speed when cycling. Aw come on – the Sig P365 sights SUCK. Harry Potter would be proud! I spoke to SIG today and they are re-projecting the launch of the manual safety version of the P365 by the end of May (up from Feb/March, then March/April.). One failure-to-feed malfunction occurred at around 700 rounds with one load of 124 grain Winchester Ranger-T +P. Some guns are just more picky. By Brand. The original P365 came with SIG-Lite Night Sights. We will donate a portion of your purchase to the Military Foundations we humbly support. Unfortunately they got lost in the mail even while tracking them to our local post office. Great review Riley. I’m no stranger to Remington’s SPS range of rifles, which were initially the replacement for the old Remy 700 ADL synthetic.From this basic hunter the range has grown to cover a number of needs, perhaps the most interesting being the Varmint.. This results in the extractor slipping off the rim of the case, and we get our double-feed malfunction. I love this gun but sometimes, when you have to wear light clothing, I leave it at home. The P365 with the three different magazine configurations: 10-round flush, 10-round with extension, 12-round extended. This was with a Federal Premium 115 grain brass-cased cartridge. To clear this MOAM (Mother-Of-All-Malfunctions) it requires the shooter to lock the slide to the rear, strip the magazine from the gun, rack the slide multiple times, insert a loaded magazine, rack the slide, and chamber a fresh round. I think a hybrid approach would have been better—flat, but have the rear of the button start flush with the grip. I just received my CC. My comments will probably be viewed as not applicable to the subject at hand. But there are still points along the way with producing tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of production models where some problems can crop up. 5. I am eyeballing the P365 as my new concealed carry option. I found that my guns seem to like everything just fine except for steel and aluminum-cased stuff. I just purchased my 1st CC piece and your review is what sold me on it! Guns are finicky things, and they have to be made with tight tolerances (relatively speaking) but yet still tolerant enough of all the crap thousands of gun owners are going to throw at them (various ammunition types and loads, junk ammo, dirty ammo, low maintenance, improper cleaning and or lubrication, etc). They are stiff, no doubt about that. That’s the reason I did not swap the mag release to be a lefty setup like I do on my other guns. This not only feels better, but it has a positive effect on accuracy as well. Your review is well written and entertaining. As someone who’s probably fired this pistol as much or more than anyone else, what are your thoughts on that version? Do you have a link for a review from women? 3 Places To Buy Guns Online, And A Few Tips To Help. While I was initially interested in the P365, Sig’s handling of the P 320 fiasco and now multiple QC issues with P365 have made me shy away from purchase of any new production Sig guns. The sig x-ray sights, in my opinion: suck. Some worse than others. I’m not worried about a simple jam that can be cleared. Thank You. I plan on sending a check to SIG Sauer in Exeter, New Hampshire to pay them for the review gun they sent me. Failure-to-Extract (Double-feed) malfunctions were quite common when using steel or aluminum-cased ammunition. A:  Unfortunately it will not. Thanks for your input. Besides the trigger weight, smoothness and break being really good, the position at which it breaks is part of the secret as well I think. They are bright in daylight or low-light conditions. I had 12-15 failures to battery within the first 64 rounds. I notice the P365 pretty much disappears in my pocket. I am not the most skilled bullseye/target shooter (I much prefer to go FAST), but the gun is accurate enough for a small defensive tool. I like the XRAY3 Day/Night sights especially how the rear sight tritium vials are very visible but appear “blacked out” during daylight conditions drawing your attention to the front sight. Modular Chassis Construction—While SIG Sauer does not really advertise this fact, the reality is that the gun is built similarly to the P320 with a serialized “frame” or chassis that can easily be removed from the grip module. I pulled it from my butt!! Carry on! I chose it over the S&W M&P M2 only because of it’s smaller size. And sometimes, yes, some guns don’t like even high quality ammo. Placing it in my hand I was immediately surprised at how good the grip felt. Remington engineers chose this with manufacturability in mind. It seems Sig rather let customers QC test. (603) 610-3000. My wife has been looking for an EDC and is not a fan of how my Hellcat grip texture feels in the webbing of her thumb. Phenomenal gun set up, we the consumer need to know we can rely on it like we could our Glocks for so many years. Very pleased with my purchase. Sig should rethink their path forward and take the lead in providing high quality fire arms that are thoroughly ready to perform in a life or death situation. The trigger on the P365 breaks at about 90-degrees far forward of the rear of the trigger guard. Check out the minimalist holster by Kuziak leather. I don’t have a bunch of money but I would rather have a few great guns than just more guns. The group above was shot with a custom Howa 1500 chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor and shot at 100 yards with factory Sig Sauer 140 Sierra MatchKing ammunition. The trigger reset is fantastic as well. Couldn’t get a video but I was able to fire 100 rounds of my self-defense ammo (Winchester Ranger 147 gr. I own 3 sig pistols and love the way they shoot but my P229 Legion 9mm has the same double feed/FTE issue you explained and has had it since I purchased it new a year ago last Feb. Other FT… malfunctions can at least usually be worked out. Both my buddy and I have over 1000 rounds each through ours without a hiccup. Riley, Mr. Boman, you did the most thorough review I’ve ever seen! Winter carry 1911 and 365. I have read many reviews and some don’t give all the data like you did. Best upgrade! The ergonomics are good. Lol. BTW, I had ZERO failures in those 500 rounds without even cleaning or oiling it when I first brought it home. If not, don’t worry about it; I’ll find the answer eventually. I’ve got a made May 2019 P365. Thanks for this tip even though I’m not the biggest fan of 100% leather holsters. I also tested the new SIG Sauer 365 FMJ and V-Crown 115 grain loads in the P365. I shoot better with the replacement Taurus G2c than with the sig – it’s what I can see to aim at!! Thanks for the quick response and for answering my question. Thanks! The result? Later on, Sig came out with new version of the 516, which became known as Gen 2. And who would have thunk a class in ‘Statics and Strengths of Materials’ would have had any application at all. By the time the demo gun from SIG arrived, I had already put almost 2,000 rounds through my personal gun. Of course, you can always reverse the mag release button as well…. According to Remington the barrel nut is a fast attachment method, so headspace can easily be set to a minimum. This strategy, from every perspective,is flawed. Besides being involved in the excitement surrounding the P365, Kyle also has a gun he designed in collaboration with the team at SIG based on the P320 platform, the SIG SAUER X-VTAC 9mm, which is a pretty nice piece of hardware itself. I shelfed my Glock 43 & sold my p938 & purchased the p365 as my EDC & I love it. In this age of overblown political correctness and the misstating of facts by the media about guns, there’s no way any US weapons manufacturer would invite unnecessary lawsuits by providing sub-par weapons. I’ll try to let you know. 2. Due to the trigger guard undercut and other grip design features, I am able to sneak about half of my pinky onto the grip of the gun. Thanks (John). Thanks for a balanced fair descriptive overall right on the money review. it was extremely hard to fill the 10 round mag without issue. I found it to be a very reliable gun. First, foremost, and always will be the protection of my family. Doing 15-20 minutes a day working on specific skills consistently for about 7 years is where the big gains have been achieved! That is great news, had no idea. You should have one! Magazine Release—this is also a minor issue I have with the gun, and it may be specific to me, but I think the mag release could have been designed differently. Now that I am officially done evaluating them, I will give them a very thorough cleaning. I also read that the NJ state police had an extraction issue with sig on an order for service pistols a few years ago which sig said was an ammo issue. Built on an aluminum receiver, it weighs under 6 pounds and holds up to five 2 3/4 inch shells in the tube magazine with one more in the chamber. My personal belief is that the gun is unlocking a tad early while gases are still elevated locking the empty casing in the chamber. It is hard to miss! Installation video will cover Sig Sauer P938 Disassembly and How to Disassemble Sig Sauer P238. That’s four more rounds than the G43, and three more than the M&P Shield. The magazines are well-constructed metal-bodied, double-stack magazines. Although Sig would manage better than Remington did, there are similarities in problems encountered and production pressures. I like the contouring, the stippling, the length—there’s many great aspects of the grip. S&W has had actual recalls on the M&P Shield EZ. This represents a 0.2% failure rate or a 99.8% reliability rate. Using the CAA Sig Sauer P320 MCK - Micro Conversion Kit, you can turn your pistol into a dynamic platform that will create a better shooting experience for you while also improving your efficiency in the field.CAA built these Gun Parts with top and side Picatinny rails for mounting thumb-rests, lasers, sights and other accessories. Tac-Lab Holsters – www.facebook.com/TacLab2016/, 365 V-Crown, 9mm, FOXTROT365, GrayGuns, handgun, micro-compact, p365, PHLSTER, pistol, review, sig, sig sauer, Tac-Lab Holsters. I’m usually with my Glock 43, but liked the Sig because of the increase in round capacity. Palmetto State Armory has 20 round boxes of PMC Bronze, 223 Remington 55 grain, soft point ammunition for $14.99 in stock and shipping. A 12-round magazine is also available, and while it extends the grip length, it is still just barely longer than some other guns with standard capacity magazines in them. I talk about that somewhat in the article. Did you notice wear on the followers in your mags? I did a search this morning for “SIG 365 reviews” and yours was the first one I looked at. This new Sig Sauer P210 (210A-9-B) is a semi-auto pistol chambered in 9mm. The trigger is nice and doesn’t tire the finger out quickly. Custom Hunting Rifles Part 1 – Magpul Hunter 700 Remington SPS AAC Precision Rifle. It’s tough to get more than three or four in the magazine, in fact, impossible for me. Check this out: Meprolight Micro RDS Red Dot Sight Kit for Sig Sauer P365. But use the Maglula Uplula to assist, and it makes it substantially easier to load. My greatest challenge to shooting more accurately was the width of the front sight post as it covered up much of the target from 15 yards and out. I love this gun but sometimes, when you have to wear light clothing, I leave it at home. I don’t think the handling of the P320 fiasco was as “nefarious” as what some think. I appreciate your honesty and sharing your knowledge while breaking it down “Barney” style for “gun dummies” like me. Custom Sig Sauer P238 380 Accessories for Best Sig Sauer P238 Trigger Upgrade to Improve Accuracy and Performance! Unconventional, but it’s a carry gun, I’d rather have all 13 rounds than risk dropping a mag by accident in a gunfight. This is surprising because SIG Sauer guns, especially in the Classic line of pistols, have established a reputation of having a bore axis that is quite high compared to competing designs. The best review of ANY handgun I’ve ever read. Thank you for sharing with the rest of us your experience. You should be able to order the new model with the manual safety by going to your local dealer. Riley, Next, awsome job! 15 failures to battery in 64 rounds.). In analyzing the instances where this has occurred, I’ve determined that the palm of my support hand is making contact with the rear portion of the button that’s raised above the grip surface. It’s just a fact of life when carrying a semi-auto. Unless you’re in a closet (no lights) you can’t see the sights. That said, I think it feels very nice in the hand. I worry about a catostroohic failure. Nice to have both to make sure the parts went in the correct way. But I’m not shooting junk! Sig Sauer Owners Manual and Parts Diagram: If your getting the Sig Sauer P238/P938 Trigger Spring Kit, then you might find the following Sig Sauer P238 and Sig Sauer P938 Resources useful in further enhancing your firearm. I love my P365. Glad it’s working so much better for you since the repair! Great article, Riley! In daylight the dull green is very hard to see. Thank you, John! No doubt there are a plethora of great cartridges suitable for concealed carry. Superb craftsmanship. This is my review of the SIG Model 516 Gen 2 Patrol.. The P365 is modular. I was looking for a CC pistol to take the place of my Glock 27 which I find just a little too thick to grip with confidence for such a small frame weapon. All guns have issues. A number of people including some respected reviewers have indicated that the gun may not be quite ready for prime time, that it was released too early, almost like a “beta version” to be tested by the gun-buying masses. That said, I think it feels very nice in the hand. With “sidecar” spare mag pouch. Thanks again for all the work. Well done, sir. Prior experience with other sig models’ great quality sights were part of the reason I picked the P365 over the Shield M2.0. Ultimate Sig Sauer P238 & P938 Trigger Upgrade! I just don’t buy that companies like Sig would intentionally play Russian roulette with peoples’ lives for the sake of profits. — yes. Shipping Info | 30 Day Return Policy | Warranties. This is where the P365 gets the greatest amount of attention and rightfully so. I have a 9mm Shield currently, but I think that a trade may need to happen now. The XRAY3 sights are fantastic! Feel of the Gun—It just feels good in the hand. I don’t think it is a part you can order and have installed. Talking with a few people over there, I think hindsight is 20/20 and they feel like it could have been handled better or differently, but I have seen many people accuse Sig of some pretty dark stuff. I will definitely enjoy my piece and I’m grateful for folks like who who provide consumers the information they need to make well informed decisions concerning such things. Let me know where you are located, and I can see if we have any instructors in our network that would be a good resource for you to look into! It is short and distinct. I appreciate it very much! Print or Download the Sig Sauer P938 Owners Manual and P938 Parts Diagram. The one failure-to-feed I experienced was with a +P Winchester round. Is this amount spring tension normal, or is mine a fluke? I have about 2,000 rounds through my G43 without a failure. The P365 is a winner. Right now the obvious choice is the Shield RMSc, but it is not exactly the most durable optic. I can change pistols more affordably than changing ammo. Thanks in advance for lending an ear. with aluminum and steel casings malfunctioned & that ones with brass casings were better. Very smooth and easy trigger pull. I shoot better with the replacement Taurus G2c than with the sig – it’s what I can see to aim at!! To get really technical, there may be something to it with the modulus of elasticity of steel and aluminum being substantially higher than brass which would result in steel and aluminum cases contracting after firing back down to an extractable size at a slower rate than brass. Is the KEL TEC SUB-2000 California legal? Wow. With the experience with the p938 I will get rid of my Glock 43 and purchase a p365 in six months to see if there are any new upgrades. Perhaps next year! Chewed my bullseye up right away! There are no ongoing, widespread, or design-based issues of any type related to the function of the P365. I know just what you mean when you say “class gun collection.” Kind of where my Glock 43 finds itself these days…. I just went to the range today and shot this for the first time. This fact reinforced my decision to never purchase another sig! It was only $50 more anyhow. This may not be the latest version… the latest version is the Sig P365 SAS with the embedded front sight… Although, I don’t care much about all the bells/whistles. Thanks Totally pulling it out of my butt. They are good, serviceable tritium-based sights that are far better than what many firearm manufacturers put on their stock pistols. It is a small gun to be sure, so it is expected to be snappy. The Sig Sauer P238/P938 Trigger Spring Kit has been tested repeatedly with numerous brands of ammunition to ensure reliable operation and safety. I hope they take the firing pin/striker issue serious and do something…. Yet, I still carry a compact p320 with Romeo 1 every day, although I shoot the “iron” sights on the P365 nearly as well, because I feel more comfortable with the red dot for urgent situations. SIG Sauer P220 SIG’s P220 line started life as a .45 ACP, but a couple years ago the company launched the P220 Hunter in 10mm, which was a full-sized 10mm with a stainless-steel slide and frame and a 5-inch barrel. That’s cool. I don’t really want to have to carry a speed loader with me whenever I carry the pistol. How many years did it takeyou to learn to shoot this as fast and as accurate as you did in this video? One question though…I purchased a p365 a few days ago and have found the magazine to be very difficult to load. Wizardry!! And quite honestly, the attitude of my SIG rep didn’t help. What's the difference between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 Sig P238 / P938? I agree. I’ve been in the business world and understand how liability works. But thanks for the kind compliment about the review!! Instructions will also cover Sig Sauer P238 Cleaning and Sig Sauer P238 Parts Diagram. I understand that it is a balancing act of building a gun that is compact and concealable but also shootable for a variety of shooters and hand sizes. Episode 479: News and Gear Reviews – AR-15’s for Defense Against Bears. Thank you, Kevin. Thanks for your honesty. I have small hands and have had no issues or malfunctions after many thousand rounds fired. But even with some of the negativity surrounding the P365, here is what I found: That doesn’t mean it is without its faults or that it hasn’t had some growing pains for some people. My final hurdle to get over is the breaking firing pin issue as this totally shuts you down. 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